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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: flowercity420 on March 19, 2013, 12:09 am
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So I'm planning to buy some BTC off sites like ebay... Planning to pay for it with paypal. Would it be risky to get the vendor to deposit my newly bought BTC straight into my SR account?
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Couldnt you just open a bitcoin wallet and transfer it to there?
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Do you have any recommendations for easy to use bit coin wallets? i'm new to the whole thing... lol. does it make a difference if i transfer into a wallet and then into my SR acc?
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So I'm planning to buy some BTC off sites like ebay... Planning to pay for it with paypal. Would it be risky to get the vendor to deposit my newly bought BTC straight into my SR account?
Yes! Get them to send the coins to your own wallet, either a bitcoin client or an online temporary wallet.
Then, send to bitcoin fog, and do the funky chicken thing there to send to your SR address. You won't be sorry, and you might just be sorry if you get coins sent to SR after using paypal, of all things.
goblin
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http://bitcoin.org is all you need pal. Going to take you a while to catch up on the block chain if you've never installed a wallet but the large catch up time is only a one time thing
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do you have any recommendations for wallets? I'm guessing online temporary ones would be best? :]
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I think instawallet.org is still around. Anybody know if there are any probs with it?
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so Instawallet is reliable? :o
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You can make wallets on: blockchain.info
You can even access it through tor if you want.. just remember that your exit node traffic will be visible. I try not to mess around with more third parties than I have to.
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DONT BUY BTC ON EBAY AND DONT USE PAYPAL both are reversible beyond your control.
X)
nomad
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Electrum is a good offline wallet (if you don't want to wait hours)
blockchain.info is a good online wallet
use bitcoin fog
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And to answer the original question, yes it is risky. Especially straight to SR. BTC has a ledger that anyone can use to track where the BTC came from and went to. SR has a tumbler but they would still have a direct link proving you bought *something* on SR.
If you use a several wallets and coinfog then at most someone can say is that you bought BTC. But no idea where or what the money was spent on.
You can do better buy using an anon buying method like bitinstant or blue sky traders
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Inigo has no fucking clue what he is talking about!! As to your original question it is not risky AT ALL!!!!
And unlike someone that has been here weeks and has 70 post.... I have been here a year and KNOW what I am talking about!
And though Nomad was correct...he was backwards...it is totally ok to BUY btc that way as you will get the coin...the reverse charges would pertain to the seller..it is easy for the BUYER to claim he didn't authorize he didn't want the charge and get it reversed so the SELLER would get the charge back...but as a buyer you would be ok... So he should have said never sell btc on ebay....but again this is not what the OP even asked..
What the OP asked is if it is ok to send coins straight to your SR account...and that answer is YES! Is it risky..the answer is NO.
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I salute you King but I disagree with you.
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@Gob..(hello)
I have been here over 1 year and I have yet to ever have one person be able to state their case as to why this would be risky. So can you please explain why it is risky to send a deposit straight to your SR wallet?
Thanks I am looking forward to it!!!
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Too be honest, it does not matter.
Bitcoin transactions are made to be anonymous, -plus most of transactions you're doing are with tor.
You can waste money like these other members by using bitcoin fog but you really don't need to.
But hey, do whatever makes you feel better.
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Hello- Gob..
Were going to do something on here that is NEVER done! We disagree and we are going to state our cases and even if we still disagree we wont call the other one an idiot. We are going to show how you can have totally different opinions and still be cool with each other :)
So you said you disagree......EXPLAIN WHY?
Yeah, OK. It's good to state one's positions. First is there is no really sure way of knowing whether sending coins to an SR address can't somehow be "discovered". I have researched this all over and I get no definite answer one way or the other. Is there something in the algorythms or in the composition of the address itself that can identify a site? I don't think this question can be answered definitively.
In that case, and being that the OP is buying coins with a very unsecure and identifying method, I say why take the chance? Mix the coins up and then send them there.
Also, the tumbler that is so often mentioned, well that's (again, as far as I know) only when withdrawing coins. In the blockchain when depositing, any given coin amount sent appears along with the SR address in question. So for this, see two paragraphs above. But when withdrawing, there is no way to tell the coins came from the user's SR address, as shown in the blockchain. Yes, I do realize that following my logic, if an address can be identified as coming from a certain site, then there is a risk even here.
That's why I always advise to use a real mixing service like bitcoin fog (http://fogcore5n3ov3tui.onion).
Admitting that I am far from an expert, I think my points are pretty much on track.
Saludos, amigo!
goblin
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The objective should be plausible deniability.
While Bitcoins are perfectly legal, it is well known that they are more often than not used for nefarious purposes.
That said, one would want to put at least one layer of deniability between you and SR.
Do you need Bitcoinfog to do this? No.
The easy thing to do is to have at least one online virtual wallet (same BTC address each time or better, a new one each time) that
you access via TOR to receive/send and vice versa. Why is that?
Well, the legal issue at stake is trying to identify the owner of the wallet. While the wallet may have been used to receive BTC
via SR, who was it that owned it, received BTC from SR and then sent BTC onward to you? Without that knowledge LEO cannot
directly connect you with SR. The owner/user of the TOR accessed intermediary online wallet is anonymous. Therefore, no viable
case can be made against you given that transacting in BTC is perfectly legal.
*TL;DR - a TOR accessed BTC virtual wallet acting as intermediary = anonymous = plausible deniability. Who owns the wallet?
Note also that, sending BTC directly to SR or receiving BTC directly from SR doesn't mean all that much to LEO since unless
they can use it as corroborating evidence, there's no proof that it was you who sent BTC to yourself from SR or that, in the absence
of physical contraband, that you used the BTC you sent to SR to purchase the illicit item(s) in question.
*TL;DR - sending BTC direct to SR is fine so long as no physical contraband can be used as evidence to corroborate the affair.
Recall the axiom, "possession is 9/10ths of the law." If SR is ever compromised, the fact that you bought illicit items doesn't make for
a case against you unless you also take possession of the item you bought and are caught doing so either at time of delivery or
subsequent to a warrant search.
At the end of the day and beginning of it, I might add, it's those of us who sell to a buyer that have more of a concern about security.
After all, it is the seller who attracts the most attention and has to deal with BTC extraction, justification and conversion into fiat currency.
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And unlike someone that has been here weeks and has 70 post.... I have been here a year and KNOW what I am talking about!
Guys not using GPG have been here over a year , that doesn't make them smart or knowledgeable and it doesn't mean encrypting is useless.
Bitcoin mixing and GPG have something in common, the way I see it, they are precaution in case SR one day get compromised.
If that happens they will have access to every user's data including btc addresses. So they have your SR deposit addresses. They can easily check where the deposits to this address originated (SR mixer can't help here since it takes place after the deposit). Have in mind that they can easily get logs of every address used for most of the biggest online wallets and btc exchange sites, seems they already do that with mtGox.
This will probably never happen for small transactions , but I am sure they re gonna go after the bigger players if they ever get our addresses.
So why can't you be a little more careful with that process? It doesn't cost that much anyway.
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Hello- Gob..
Were going to do something on here that is NEVER done! We disagree and we are going to state our cases and even if we still disagree we wont call the other one an idiot. We are going to show how you can have totally different opinions and still be cool with each other :)
So you said you disagree......EXPLAIN WHY?
Yeah, OK. It's good to state one's positions. First is there is no really sure way of knowing whether sending coins to an SR address can't somehow be "discovered". I have researched this all over and I get no definite answer one way or the other. Is there something in the algorythms or in the composition of the address itself that can identify a site? I don't think this question can be answered definitively.
In that case, and being that the OP is buying coins with a very unsecure and identifying method, I say why take the chance? Mix the coins up and then send them there.
Also, the tumbler that is so often mentioned, well that's (again, as far as I know) only when withdrawing coins. In the blockchain when depositing, any given coin amount sent appears along with the SR address in question. So for this, see two paragraphs above. But when withdrawing, there is no way to tell the coins came from the user's SR address, as shown in the blockchain. Yes, I do realize that following my logic, if an address can be identified as coming from a certain site, then there is a risk even here.
That's why I always advise to use a real mixing service like bitcoin fog (http://fogcore5n3ov3tui.onion).
Admitting that I am far from an expert, I think my points are pretty much on track.
Saludos, amigo!
goblin
WOW...You think your points are pretty much on track??? So I will break down what you said...
Here is your first sentence--
First is there is no really sure way of knowing whether sending coins to an SR address can't somehow be "discovered".
Ok so here you say there is no way to know if it can be discovered if you are sending coins to silk road. I am going to assume form here on out that "they" is Leo (law enforcement officer). So lets give you this one and say there is no way to tell if they can "discover it" or not.
So buying btc is totally legal yet you believe you should not buy btc and send it to SR directly. And when I asked you to give your reasons you responded with this.....
You did say---I don't think this question can be answered definitively. ( the question is if you should or should not send btc straight to SR)
So that means that there is actually no reason at all to not send your coins directly to silk road. NONE. In fact I asked you why you believe you should not and you said this----
Your first paragraph is------That you have researched all over and can't find anything that say's they(LEO) could find out that the address belongs to Silk Road.
Your second paragraph is-- why take a chance use bitfog
Your third paragraph is--- that the often mentioned tumbler actually applies to withdraws. And that in a blockchain there is the amount and an address(that is your SR one) so for that reason go to your first paragraph and we know that just states that there is nothing either way!
Then you end it with you are far from an expert...but your points are on track!!! You had no points at all!! NONE
What points? That with all your research you cant find anything that states they can figure out your address belongs to SR and that the tumbler applies to withdraws!! That's all you said.. The crazy part is I think you actually believed you stated a case as to why you should not send your coins straight to SR. Yet in the very first paragraph you say you have researched all over the place and you could find nothing!
As you know I have nothing against you.. I make a post saying it is totally ok to send coins straight to your SR address and and you came into this thread and responded that you disagree.....I asked you to tell me why and this was your answer... You said nothing. Not one thing that would give reason to not do it.
I understand better safe then sorry and I understand the concept "well it can't hurt" so take the extra step. But in this case(buying coins and sending them straight to your SR wallet) there is no chance. There is no risk. And there is no reason at all you should not just send the coins straight there.
But there is an upside!
Time.
There have been more pos/threads made in this forum from people frustrated waiting for the confirmations to get their coin and when you read further...there is always one guy who is giving the advice that they should use bit-fog or some other washing site before sending the coins to SR And they always say it in a way like " OMG you better use bit-fog and not just send the coins straight to SR!!! Don't mess with fire" and like yourself, they in no way, shape or form have anything to back up what they are saying. NOTHING. They just "heard it". Like the crazies that say " don't check USPS tracking from tor... it will flag it!" I mean 100% total LIE and it is passed around like the game "telephone" and the people that are now passing it around have no fucking clue what they are even saying! Its worse then an urban myth! At least those have SOMETHING... this "make sure and wash your btc before you send it to SR" is 100% complete BULLSHIT! And the number one reason they can come up with is "why take the chance".
People keep posting in threads they know nothing about. These threads used to be a great place for information. Now they are complete shit.
All I want is to help the community be better. And one of the ways to make this shit hole come back to its glory where you could come and get truthful information is to eliminate the total bullshit. This is TOTAL BULLSHIT. These forums used to be such a great place...and now they are total shit. People just say things with no factual backing at all. They comment in post they know nothing about..just to comment. Someone will ask " has anyone used ABC for XXX?" and there will be 3 responses from people that will give their opinion and they have never used ABC or XXX. They will say things like " I tried something like it once and it fucked me up..be careful, let us know how you liked it..hey do you have .003 btc? I am short for my order today".. The other post will say " My buddy tried it and he loved it but I would never risk it. be careful" This is the type of shit that is on here now. It is sad actually. People will make threads in the completely wrong forum and they will post something they have no personal knowledge at all about..doesn't stop them! Or they will chime in and say "DONT FE" wow...good one..thanks for the insight! Thank god you are a member.
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And unlike someone that has been here weeks and has 70 post.... I have been here a year and KNOW what I am talking about!
Guys not using GPG have been here over a year , that doesn't make them smart or knowledgeable and it doesn't mean encrypting is useless.
Bitcoin mixing and GPG have something in common, the way I see it, they are precaution in case SR one day get compromised.
If that happens they will have access to every user's data including btc addresses. So they have your SR deposit addresses. They can easily check where the deposits to this address originated (SR mixer can't help here since it takes place after the deposit). Have in mind that they can easily get logs of every address used for most of the biggest online wallets and btc exchange sites, seems they already do that with mtGox.
This will probably never happen for small transactions , but I am sure they re gonna go after the bigger players if they ever get our addresses.
So why can't you be a little more careful with that process? It doesn't cost that much anyway.
"Guys not using GPG have been here over a year , that doesn't make them smart or knowledgeable and it doesn't mean encrypting is useless"
Can you explain this sentence? I agree not using gpg for over a year doesn't make you smart or knowledgeable...but who said it does? And how does it tie into " and it doesn't mean encrypting is useless"?
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I thought it was clear, you being here for a year doesn't mean you know any better actually, like many other old members who think it's ok to skip security measures like GPG because they haven't been caught yet, so they must be right. Just because you can't think of a reason to cover your bitcoin transactions doesn't mean that there isn't one.
Also the subject of the post is not that part but the rest of it. Do you have any thoughts on that?
Bitcoin mixing and GPG have something in common, the way I see it, they are precaution in case SR one day get compromised.
If that happens they will have access to every user's data including btc addresses. So they have your SR deposit addresses. They can easily check where the deposits to this address originated (SR mixer can't help here since it takes place after the deposit). Have in mind that they can easily get logs of every address used for most of the biggest online wallets and btc exchange sites, seems they already do that with mtGox.
This will probably never happen for small transactions , but I am sure they re gonna go after the bigger players if they ever get our addresses.
So why can't you be a little more careful with that process? It doesn't cost that much anyway.
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I thought it was clear, you being here for a year doesn't mean you know any better actually, like many other old members who think it's ok to skip security measures like GPG because they haven't been caught yet, so they must be right. Just because you can't think of a reason to cover your bitcoin transactions doesn't mean that there isn't one.
Also the subject of the post is not that part but the rest of it. Do you have any thoughts on that?
Bitcoin mixing and GPG have something in common, the way I see it, they are precaution in case SR one day get compromised.
If that happens they will have access to every user's data including btc addresses. So they have your SR deposit addresses. They can easily check where the deposits to this address originated (SR mixer can't help here since it takes place after the deposit). Have in mind that they can easily get logs of every address used for most of the biggest online wallets and btc exchange sites, seems they already do that with mtGox.
This will probably never happen for small transactions , but I am sure they re gonna go after the bigger players if they ever get our addresses.
So why can't you be a little more careful with that process? It doesn't cost that much anyway.
It was not clear at all. This is your sentence---
"Guys not using GPG have been here over a year , that doesn't make them smart or knowledgeable and it doesn't mean encrypting is useless"
You read that and tell me there shouldn't be another word after GPG....? And I was confused because you say " and it doesn't mean encryption is useless" ...um ok..where did that come from? And who implied that not using GPG for over a year makes them smart? or knowledgeable? and again it seems you throw encryption is useless in there from left field.
I totally disagree that me being here for 1 year doesn't mean I know any better...I think it is safe to say that I know more about SR and how this place works from being here for 1 year then someone that has been here for weeks. But just being here a year is not the defying thing. Me being a vendor here for 1 year and mailing 1000's of packages and having 1000's of btc makes me someone that knows a lot more then your average forum user.
"like many older forum members who think to skip security".... well so far in your very first sentence you have yet to be correct! Your first 5 words....no you were not..your next 13 words--you being here for a year doesn't mean you know any better actually-- actually it does. Your next gem--- like many other old members who think it's ok to skip security measures like GPG because they haven't been caught yet-- you could not be more wrong(well you could...look at your first couple points) many "older" members are in fact fanatics about gpg! So I am not at all like many...I am one of the few who has my opinion...Jesus, when in the sentence are you going to say something accurate?? Caught yet? Meaning if I were to get caught I wuld then want to use GPG? Yea that makes sense(except the total opposite) That was your first sentence!! You ended it with the gem "so they must be right" in reference to since they have not been caught yet...where did you come up with this shit?
As to your second sentence...
Just because you can't think of a reason to cover your bitcoin transactions doesn't mean that there isn't one.
What the fuck are you on?
"I can't think of a reason to cover my btc transactions???? I don't need to cover my btc transactions.. I don't even do btc transactions! Where did you come up with this nonsense?
Do yourself a favor and delete your post! What are you even talking about when you say I can't cover my btc transactions?
So go ahead genius and come up with something witty and smart to why you wrote something that is totally inaccurate.
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Hello- Gob..
Were going to do something on here that is NEVER done! We disagree and we are going to state our cases and even if we still disagree we wont call the other one an idiot. We are going to show how you can have totally different opinions and still be cool with each other :)
So you said you disagree......EXPLAIN WHY?
Yeah, OK. It's good to state one's positions. First is there is no really sure way of knowing whether sending coins to an SR address can't somehow be "discovered". I have researched this all over and I get no definite answer one way or the other. Is there something in the algorythms or in the composition of the address itself that can identify a site? I don't think this question can be answered definitively.
In that case, and being that the OP is buying coins with a very unsecure and identifying method, I say why take the chance? Mix the coins up and then send them there.
Also, the tumbler that is so often mentioned, well that's (again, as far as I know) only when withdrawing coins. In the blockchain when depositing, any given coin amount sent appears along with the SR address in question. So for this, see two paragraphs above. But when withdrawing, there is no way to tell the coins came from the user's SR address, as shown in the blockchain. Yes, I do realize that following my logic, if an address can be identified as coming from a certain site, then there is a risk even here.
That's why I always advise to use a real mixing service like bitcoin fog (http://fogcore5n3ov3tui.onion).
Admitting that I am far from an expert, I think my points are pretty much on track.
Saludos, amigo!
goblin
WOW...You think your points are pretty much on track??? So I will break down what you said...
Here is your first sentence--
First is there is no really sure way of knowing whether sending coins to an SR address can't somehow be "discovered".
Ok so here you say there is no way to know if it can be discovered if you are sending coins to silk road. I am going to assume form here on out that "they" is Leo (law enforcement officer). So lets give you this one and say there is no way to tell if they can "discover it" or not.
So buying btc is totally legal yet you believe you should not buy btc and send it to SR directly. And when I asked you to give your reasons you responded with this.....
You did say---I don't think this question can be answered definitively. ( the question is if you should or should not send btc straight to SR)
So that means that there is actually no reason at all to not send your coins directly to silk road. NONE. In fact I asked you why you believe you should not and you said this----
Your first paragraph is------That you have researched all over and can't find anything that say's they(LEO) could find out that the address belongs to Silk Road.
Your second paragraph is-- why take a chance use bitfog
Your third paragraph is--- that the often mentioned tumbler actually applies to withdraws. And that in a blockchain there is the amount and an address(that is your SR one) so for that reason go to your first paragraph and we know that just states that there is nothing either way!
Then you end it with you are far from an expert...but your points are on track!!! You had no points at all!! NONE
What points? That with all your research you cant find anything that states they can figure out your address belongs to SR and that the tumbler applies to withdraws!! That's all you said.. The crazy part is I think you actually believed you stated a case as to why you should not send your coins straight to SR. Yet in the very first paragraph you say you have researched all over the place and you could find nothing!
As you know I have nothing against you.. I make a post saying it is totally ok to send coins straight to your SR address and and you came into this thread and responded that you disagree.....I asked you to tell me why and this was your answer... You said nothing. Not one thing that would give reason to not do it.
I understand better safe then sorry and I understand the concept "well it can't hurt" so take the extra step. But in this case(buying coins and sending them straight to your SR wallet) there is no chance. There is no risk. And there is no reason at all you should not just send the coins straight there.
But there is an upside!
Time.
There have been more pos/threads made in this forum from people frustrated waiting for the confirmations to get their coin and when you read further...there is always one guy who is giving the advice that they should use bit-fog or some other washing site before sending the coins to SR And they always say it in a way like " OMG you better use bit-fog and not just send the coins straight to SR!!! Don't mess with fire" and like yourself, they in no way, shape or form have anything to back up what they are saying. NOTHING. They just "heard it". Like the crazies that say " don't check USPS tracking from tor... it will flag it!" I mean 100% total LIE and it is passed around like the game "telephone" and the people that are now passing it around have no fucking clue what they are even saying! Its worse then an urban myth! At least those have SOMETHING... this "make sure and wash your btc before you send it to SR" is 100% complete BULLSHIT! And the number one reason they can come up with is "why take the chance".
People keep posting in threads they know nothing about. These threads used to be a great place for information. Now they are complete shit.
All I want is to help the community be better. And one of the ways to make this shit hole come back to its glory where you could come and get truthful information is to eliminate the total bullshit. This is TOTAL BULLSHIT. These forums used to be such a great place...and now they are total shit. People just say things with no factual backing at all. They comment in post they know nothing about..just to comment. Someone will ask " has anyone used ABC for XXX?" and there will be 3 responses from people that will give their opinion and they have never used ABC or XXX. They will say things like " I tried something like it once and it fucked me up..be careful, let us know how you liked it..hey do you have .003 btc? I am short for my order today".. The other post will say " My buddy tried it and he loved it but I would never risk it. be careful" This is the type of shit that is on here now. It is sad actually. People will make threads in the completely wrong forum and they will post something they have no personal knowledge at all about..doesn't stop them! Or they will chime in and say "DONT FE" wow...good one..thanks for the insight! Thank god you are a member.
Exactly.
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Well, I won't go against you, because it is obvious you are talking from a position of incredible knowledge that has stood the test of time. I am in awe of it. I bow to you, sir.
I will continue with my cautious ways and I will continue to so advise people. No one knows what exactly gives information away, with the possible exception of Satoshi Nakamoto, and I don't think he takes PMs.
Sayonara!
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GETTT EMMM RXKING!! LOL
I AGREE WITH HIM 100%
I SENT TO INSTAWALLET THE FIRST 2!! TIMES then to SR..
2 TIMES..THEN NEVER AGAIN..
i actually only try to use straight to SR options.. like the KING.. and BTCmaster..
and bitinstant to BTC (SR)
i have been doing this for almost 6 months straight NO reason not to..
the only reason people dont like to is because they are high.. and think to much about it.. cuz really .. the REAL risk is getting ur product.. buying btc
isnt shit..
getting a drop and a reliable vender is the hard part other then that.. sending btc to SR is just common sense
fuck all the bit fog shit.. for what? if the cops bust you .. THEY BUST U WITH DRUGS.. THEY WONT KNOW HOW U GOT THEM UNLESS U TELL THEM OR
THEY TAKE UR COMPUTER..
take this out of the situation buy simply having you laptop or whatever at a different location then ur drugs.. or ur money.. then if u get raided ( god forbid ) then u can just deny everything.. say u want a lawyer and fight it..
DONT DO THE CRIME IF YOU CANT DO THE TIME.. AND DONT DO THE CRIME IF YOUR NOT WILLING TO SPEND MONEY ON A LAWYER AND BOND OUT DEFENDING YOURSELF.. ...
pussies..
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Inigo has no fucking clue what he is talking about!! As to your original question it is not risky AT ALL!!!!
And unlike someone that has been here weeks and has 70 post.... I have been here a year and KNOW what I am talking about!
And though Nomad was correct...he was backwards...it is totally ok to BUY btc that way as you will get the coin...the reverse charges would pertain to the seller..it is easy for the BUYER to claim he didn't authorize he didn't want the charge and get it reversed so the SELLER would get the charge back...but as a buyer you would be ok... So he should have said never sell btc on ebay....but again this is not what the OP even asked..
What the OP asked is if it is ok to send coins straight to your SR account...and that answer is YES! Is it risky..the answer is NO.
Excellent post, thank you RxKing, I was getting ready to say the same things. I have been sending coins straight to SR for quite some time. Never had a problem. It is not risky, AT ALL.
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Well, I won't go against you, because it is obvious you are talking from a position of incredible knowledge that has stood the test of time. I am in awe of it. I bow to you, sir.
I will continue with my cautious ways and I will continue to so advise people. No one knows what exactly gives information away, with the possible exception of Satoshi Nakamoto, and I don't think he takes PMs.
Sayonara!
goblin..it is not against me or with me..Just bring something to the table in a discussion. You HAD a lot to say but it was a lot of nothing...Read your own post again... at no time at all to you make a valid point as to why you should not send coins directly from your source to SR.
You even went as far as to say.....
"That's why I always advise...."
Who are you advising??? And why are you advising people to use bitfog?
Those are rhetorical questions because I already asked you to answer it and I actually thought you were going to come back with something good....and you opened up your post with
"I have researched this all over and I get no definite answer one way or the other."
LOL...you should have stopped there!
You actually advice people to use a pay service that they so do not need to use though you admit that through your own research you can not get a definite answer one way or another!
So what you did, for no reason at all, is come into a thread and say you disagree then you were asked to explain why you disagree and you made another post of a bunch of nothing and even at one point said "for this see two paragraphs above" instead of just saying -----
" actually I have no proof at all that you should use a pay service such as bit-fog. In fact in my research I could not find one thing to back up my belief that you should not just send your coins straight to an SR wallet. But I like to give advice to people to do such even though I admit I am no expert at all. I am just paranoid because I buy drugs off the internet and I figured it can't hurt!"
That at least would have been honest and to the point. Also we are all impressed that you know the pseudonym of the alleged creator of bitcoin. But you are wrong about him not taking messages. DPR takes messages all the time ;D
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That said, one would want to put at least one layer of deniability between you and SR.
Do you need Bitcoinfog to do this? No.
That's pretty much the right answer as far as I know. Here's my understanding, corrections very welcome.
There are two elements here:
- The bitcoin itself
- The transaction chain
All bitcoin transactions are indeed logged. So if you sign up to blockchain with your real ID, then transfer directly to SR, LEO knows you've put money into SR. And if he has an envelope of drugs with your RL name and address on it, your defense sounds weak. "Sure I used SR, but I only bought an ebook"? Sounds weak, but in reality that could very well be enough of a defense for your country.
Add in a hop to an Instawallet created over TOR, and LEO cannot prove it was you that put that bitcoin into SR. You've broken the transaction trail and weakened LEO position... but they may be able to still prove that bitcoin ended up in SR.
A tumbling service like BF addresses that last point. You've broken the transaction trail via your Instawallet/TOR, but with BF/TOR you create a second break and also the bitcoin going into your SR account is different than the bitcoin that left your blockchain wallet.
BF/TOR is for the extra-paranoid that'd rather lose 2% to a tumbling service than worry about all this. I used blockchain -> Instawallet/TOR -> Instawallet/TOR -> BF/TOR -> SR for my first few transactions, but will probably drop the BF/TOR step for my next ones.
Talking of deniability, an SR account that you do nothing with is also a good idea (serves the same purpose as a Truecrype hidden volume; more deniability).
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If this were me, which what I do is add money to an acct then send str8 to SR. I live by the motto 'if its gonna happen its go happen' (damon dash stateproperty) . If you've read about the feds, they have targeted ops and dragnets... nuff said
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Just set up a blockchain.info wallet for the transfer. It is very easy. They also have a bitcoin washer for 1.5% if you are extra concerned about your funds being tracked to SR. It is better to be safe than sorry I guess. I won't enter into the necessary vs. not necessary debate but the info is there if you want it. GL man. :)